Did you hear the one about the bald guy, two Jews and a lesbian? No, it isn't a joke. No, it wasn't funny. But it was fun.

People say over and over how we only see a small piece of each other as read what each other has written in our journals and elsewhere. But, it really doesn't sink in till you meet people in person. As a student I read a particular person's poetry admiring his depth of thought and feeling. That person eventually won a Nobel prize for literature. But, I had the misfortune to meet the man in person and to discover that he was a complete oaf. His written thought and feelings were a sham. He was bigotted and, frankly he couldn't even read his own poetry aloud with any feeling. Does it detract from what he wrote? Not really, because the oaf he was doesn't intrude on his poetry. But when I hear tales of young people flocking to sit literally at his feet and listen to his wisdom, I get nauseated. His influence as a writer was one thing, his influence as a human being was quite another.

When I first started posting at ATPo, I got the impression that anom, our [livejournal.com profile] anomster, was a guy, but kind of a strange guy. When I later learned she was a woman a lot of the mystery and strangeness disappeared. Call me prejudiced if you want, but the way she writes makes a lot more sense to me now, than it did the first few months. Maybe a year later I first saw a picture of her. You get a certain impression from that too. But, not as clear as you'd think. The first time I saw her in person was a fairly simple moment, but it was complicated, too. I was waiting out in front of the restaurant specifically to meet her. It's a busy street and a lot of cars were going by. She was coming from a long way away and had no clear idea of when she was going to arrive. I wasn't paying a lot of attention, since obviously I had even less idea when she was going to show up. But, I happened to glance up into approaching traffic, and saw a woman in the passenger seat of a car starting to get excited. Of course, it flashed through my mind, 'That's anom! She recognizes me." Anom and I were early for the meeting so we sat and talked for awhile. Well, that was the purpose of the meeting, wasn't it? I liked anom, back when I thought she was a guy. I like her even more now as I've seen more and more what's she's like as a real person.

I think I've apologized enough to Cheryl for misjudging her. I had the idea from what she'd posted at ATPo the first few weeks she was on the board that she was a wild and crazy teenager, and maybe not in a good way crazy. It turns out she is a very thoughtful and sincere woman, and it was my distrust that made her sincerity seem odd. It's a priviledge to know her.

We all have our impressions of Masquerade. I have to say that Masq in the flesh is even better, too. Wisewoman pointed out to me this year that I have more sensitivity toward sound in my writing than I do toward the visual. It really has made a big difference being able to hear Masq say the same sorts of things she writes in her journal. In her case, it isn't that she seems different in person or on the phone. But, you get a much better impression of the depth of a person sometimes in those situations. Adding that extra dimension to your impression of someone does make a difference. It was funny sitting there listening to her say what she used to say to people timid about joing in at ATPo, "We're not that smart!" Actually, Masq, we are. That certainly does scare some people. But, to each other we're just more or less normal. I think that's what you're really trying to tell people when you say that. Smart people are normal, too!

Not all of us have the time or the resources to travel across the country. Not all of us have the courage to drive across town to meet someone. Not everyone has the courage to even write for a little help and encouragement. Even though anom and Cheryl probably won't even see this, I'd like to thank all the friends I've met here on-line, especially [livejournal.com profile] wisewoman, [livejournal.com profile] anomster, [livejournal.com profile] atpolittlebit, [livejournal.com profile] soulfulspike80 and [livejournal.com profile] masqthephlsphr for making my 2004 so pleasant.

Here's hoping all of you feel as good about 2005.

Cactus Watcher

From: [identity profile] cactuswatcher.livejournal.com


Yeah, and I'm also 6' 4". Ho, ho. Insecurity in a man is worrying that he's losing his hair. No I don't shave my head, but being called bald doesn't bother me either. Between toupees and Rogaine you can see how silly our whole cultural idea of perfection is, and not just when it comes to women. We are who we are. In your case, that's pretty good.
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From: [identity profile] atpolittlebit.livejournal.com


Thank you as well. Some of the best times I've had in the past 2-1/2 years since finding the ATPo board were those occasions when I got to meet some of the people I had the pleasure of talking to either on the board or in chat. Something that may be a little surprising, given the nature of the internet and online personas, is that I have never been disappointed or even found my fellow ATPoers to be significantly different from the person they present online.

Just as an aside, one of the things that brings a smile to my face is when I read that you and Cheryl have gotten together.

From: [identity profile] cactuswatcher.livejournal.com


Yes, Masq was told us how someone was telling [livejournal.com profile] ann1962 we were all axe murders before she went to the meet in Chicago. Now who would murder an innocent axe, I just can't imagine.
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From: [identity profile] atpolittlebit.livejournal.com


Innocent axes are generally safe from us, but those uppity axes with pretensions that call themselves things like "The Scythe" are just asking to be murdered, or slain.
ann1962: (That felt good)

From: [personal profile] ann1962


That would be my sister. She was concerned about all you TV loving, Buffy freaks!! LOL But she has always considered me a freak, so I have found my other family I guess.

No murders on my watch! Scythe issues are another issue!

From: [identity profile] angeyja.livejournal.com


I still feel very lucky that ATPo was my first real discussion group. It's the way I feel about Tolkien as my first fantasy.

From: [identity profile] cactuswatcher.livejournal.com


ATPo was the first place I posted at on the net, so I feel the same way about it.

From: [identity profile] deevalish.livejournal.com


I love this comment. I'm not so good at expressing myself in writing sometimes. The right words always seem just out of reach, that I'm not doing it justice. Thanks for jotting this down, CW.

From: [identity profile] wisewoman.livejournal.com


Again, my envy knows no bounds. I've met both masq and anom, and would dearly love to spend more time with them. That could only be made better by the opportunity to meet you as well, and Cheryl too!

People think I'm crazy when I tell them some of my best friends are online. The internet has a deserved reputation for scary encounters, but it can provide much joy, stimulating interactions, and a sense of true community as well, in very rare and much treasured cases.

;o)

From: [identity profile] cactuswatcher.livejournal.com


(blueness) Happy (blueness) New (blueness) Year (blueness)!

How's that for subliminal suggestion? Just kidding, but not about the happy new year!
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From: [identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com


When I say, "We're not that smart," I'm expressing my frustration at certain smart people not posting at the board because they think they're not smart enough. It's aggravating sometimes, and other times, I suspect it's an excuse, and they have some other reason they don't post.

; P

From: [identity profile] cactuswatcher.livejournal.com


There was once a cartoon in the New Yorker magazine with a trio of people at a cocktail party. Two of the people have obviously been talking together, the other is eagerly listening in. One of the two turns to the eager fellow and says, "If you don't have a PhD, beat it!" I'm afraid there are people who feel they'll be treated like that, no matter how smart they are, or how much education they've had.

I'm sure I'm not alone in having had friends who were high school drop outs who had more good sense than some tenured full professors. We've also had friends who didn't have particularly good sense, but were nonetheless good people. If people can accept us for what we are, I'd hope we could accept them, too. But I don't blame people for being wary.
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From: [identity profile] masqthephlsphr.livejournal.com


The notion that we would treat them that way is so absurdly ridiculous I gape and blubber.

But then, I know all you guys, others don't.
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From: [personal profile] ann1962


I thought Anom was a guy too! I wasn't sure about Masq hee. But more surprising to me was how many guys there were, that I thought were women! I refuse to name names.

It took me over a year of lurking to post on the board. Chicken little here. This board and lj have made me more courageous. I fear every single time I post because I can see the abilities of others that I don't have. But I post anyway. Naive as I am, and I only hope I bring just a little to this wonderful table. Other than cookies.


From: [identity profile] midnightsjane.livejournal.com


Like [livejournal.com profile] ann1962, I lurked on the ATPo board for months before I ever posted a word. I was really afraid that people would think I was odd or something, I guess. Imagine, someone obsessed by a Show like Buffy being concerned about being thought of as strange. Hee. I heard about the meet in Vancouver, but didn't have the nerve to go, because I had only just started lurking. Thankfully, I was brave enough to go to Chicago! I found everyone there as friendly and interesting in real life as they are on the board and in LJ. I think I have been blessed by the connections I have made through LJ and the board.
A friend said she thought that being on line, and specifically on the board and LJ, had opened me up to new and exciting experiences. Certainly I would never have gone to Chicago, or planned to go to NYC, without the influence of all you terrific folks!
Thanks for the cookies, and the conversations, and all that go with it. Happy New Year!

From: [identity profile] cactuswatcher.livejournal.com

Re: Wait a minute, hey! Mister, you forgot about me....:):):):)


We never forget you, Rufus. We just like to keep it quiet, so people won't think we're a bunch of name-droppers. "Oh, yeah. Sure you know the Rufus! And I'm a good friend of the Queen of Spain!"

Seriously, Happy New Year to you and to Mr. Rufus, as well!

From: [identity profile] soulfulspike80.livejournal.com


Even though anom and Cheryl probably won't even see this, I'd like to thank all the friends I've met here on-line,

:::waving enthusiastically and jumping up and down::: I'm here, I'm here! See, CW, you're such a good influence that one of my New Year's resolutions now is to be more active on the LJs.

End of the year is a good time to reflect and I, too, want to thank my friends at ATPo. Not only have I made some new friends, I've also broadened my horizons in thought and philosophy, and become involved in an exciting and challenging writing project. Hard to believe that I only came into the Buffy universe barely three years ago - I can't imagine it not being part of my life.

I hope I'll have an opportunity to meet more members in 2005. Happy New Year!

From: [identity profile] cactuswatcher.livejournal.com


one of my New Year's resolutions now is to be more active on the LJs.

I'll be glad if you keep that resolution, and so will you. ;o)
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