A bill has just passed the US House of Representatives, which will require TV stations to broadcast in digital only beginning in February 2009. Which means that if you have an old style TV it will not receive anything over the air after that date. Congress is planning on offering vouchers to help purchase converters to keep our old sets running. But apparently the converters won't be free.

I have no idea where this is going to leave Canadians.

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Gosh, now if only congress would issue vouchers every time Microsoft changes its operating system...

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There is going to be quite a lot of hoopla about this A to D transition over the next while, but I personally have to wonder just how much of an impact it will really have. The price of digital sets is plummeting, including HD sets, and I tend to think that three+ long years from now, most folks will have already converted. This whole thing could turn out to be much like the big scary Y2K disaster scenarios that ultimately never occurred.

The other question to be raised is that by 02/09, how many people will be watching TV via satellite, or even the internet-- all of which have their own proprietary transmission protocols.

I'm now making my own prediction here: There will be far greater consternation in the near future from viewers who now own widescreen sets and find that they have to put up with 'pillarboxing' bars for the 50+ years of old 4X3-shaped program material that's still out there, and will be for a loooooonng time.

There are solutions for this, but all involve some degree of expense, and greater expense than even a currently priced converter box for digital broadcasting.

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I was ready to go digital back in 2000, but my wallet wasn't.

I've been watching the prices since then, so I know they've started to collapse. I'll probably get an HD next year sometime, depending on my finances.

The VHS recorder in my TV died amonth ago. I decided it was worth it to go out and buy a recorder to be able to play my dwindling tape collection till the new techonologies settle down.
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I'm not sure what going digital means, exactly. Does this mean TVs with rabbit ears will no longer be able to get a signal?

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Until recently all TVs built for use since the 1940's in the US and Canada worked on an analog signal (NTSC) like radio. The new technology works in bytes like your computer. Your rabbit ears may continue to pick up the digital signal, but your old analog TV will not work unless Canadian stations continue to broadcast in the old fashion or you get a converter.

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I'm waiting for apple to go intell and full TV format. I've got my eye on the 30" Apple cinema display. If Apple doesn't go video, there is a company out there with a software/hardware fix with a free tivo like service. My real excuse for the 30 in display is my photography. I'd upgrade today if it weren't for the switch to intell. And the machine I want will be the last to morph over.

It will be expensive. I'll buy a new Palm. I've been waiting on that for a while because I'll have to upgrade software, particularly my filemaker program because I keep a data base of the books I own on my palm so I check to make sure I don't already own the book (I have a ton of duplicate copies).

This year I bit the bullet and bought the camera I've been lusting after. Next year (or the year after) for the computer

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If your channel numbers are completely different on your new TV from your old, it's digital. If not it's old style. The digital broadcast in an entirely different range and different channel numbers have been assigned to each station.
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I don't pay any attention to what my channel numbers are, since I don't watch regular television, only DVD and VCR stuff. And I don't have cable. But it seems to me ABC is still the same channel it was on my old TV (I watched Lost the other night).

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If switching channels (say with the channel up and down button on the remote) hasn't seemed a little weird to you yet, it's old style.

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Actually, the broadcast frequencies are in the same range as with NTSC-- namely VHF and UHF. While I don't know if this plan has changed since it was first implemented, the original idea was:

1. Assign temporary new channel numbers for the digital stations. For example, in my area, the local PBS station transmits in analog on Ch. 33, and in digital on Ch. 36.

2a. After the changover (was 2007, now 2009, as mentioned previously) and all analog transmissions were ended, the original channels would be auctioned off for other uses.

2b. Or else, the stations would transmit digitally on the previous analog channel frequencies, and the temporary ones would be auctioned off.

(I'm still confused about the #2's, and have elected to not care either way.)

As to how to tell if a new TV has built-in digital tuning capabilities, look for the specifications to say "ATSC tuner included" or "equipped with NTSC/ATSC/QAM tuners".

NTSC = analog, the old system

ATSC = digital, the new system (also used by DirecTV & DISH Network)

QAM = digital cable system.

Yes, the cable folk have their own, and it's not compatible with ATSC. Cable companies will receive the original transmissions (in whatever form) and then convert them. For your TV to tune them, you will need either a box supplied by the cable company, or a TV with a QAM tuner. Fortunately, most current production TV's have all three tuners onboard.

One final note (yeah, right! ;-) about digital channels-- they can have "sub-channels", or channels within a channel. Digital is so efficient bandwidth-wise compared to analog that it is possible to fit as many as six channels in the space of one previous analog channel. The trade-off is in picture quality. Use all six at once, and you're about down to VHS tape quality. Do 3 and you're at DVD level. If you do full 1080i or 720p Hi-def, you get only one channel.

Some folks who already own HDTV's have noticed that the Hi-def doesn't always look like Hi-def, especially during the daytime. This is because the station "multi-casts" 2 or 3 channels at once. To do this, they have to compress or downconvert the Hi-def material in order to squeeze everything in.

Subchannels are denoted with a dash and a second number after the main channel number. For example, my PBS station has 36-1, 36-2 and 36-3 all running at once in the daytime.

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Thanks.

As far as I know the plan was to clear the really bandwidth-hungry lower VHF channel frequencies from the beginning. Then those frequencies would be sold for more efficient use for something else. (Which I think is why ABC dumped all of their lower-channel-numbered stations about a decade ago and reorganized with what had been independent stations in many markets. Whether that makes sense now or not I have no idea!)

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What effect does this have with cable tv? We have digital cable (for the extra channels, like VH1 Classic). Is this going to affect that at all?

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Not directly. Cable companies do not run on the same rules as the broadcast networks and stations.

The cable company will surely take care of any converters you'd need as they already do for some customers in some areas.

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Yes, I misread your original reply. You already have a converter!

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nothing new, really


This was originally going to happen at the end of next year, but it was dependent on at least 85 percent of US households' having at least 1 TV that could receive digital signals. Well, it's not gonna happen by then, so this bill was actually to extend the deadline.

In fact, the US is behind several other countries in the digital switch. 2 cities in Germany have already stopped having analog broadcasts, & the rest of the country will by 2010, the same year as France. Japan's supposed to do the same by 2011 & the UK by the end of 2012.

This info is from an article in Oct. 2005's IEEE Spectrum (http://spectrum.ieee.org/oct05/1911). (I know about it because I do proofreading for them.) A lot of the rest of what's in it is basically covered in OnM's post above, but anyone interested in more detail can check out the article. You may want to go to the end to see who they predict will be the winners & losers from the switch. They say less-well-off consumers will be losers in the short term but consumers in general will be winners in the end.

Of course, a lot of more-well-off consumers already have digital sets. Personally, I figure by 2009 those TVs will be available used. I'm gonna keep an eye out for that market!

Oh, & I searched the Spectrum article for "Canada"...it's not mentioned.

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Actually I believe the original 2007 deadline was for all stations to start broadcasting in digital, where as this deadline is supposed to end broadcasting in analog. Many stations are currently doing both. Since you've read the article, is the start deadline being pushed back by this, also?

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Re: nothing new, really


It doesn't say. The FCC lent "a second channel in the existing broadcast bands," to be used for digital broadcasting, to every TV broadcaster in the late '90s. Certain "taboo" frequency bands (diff't. ones in diff't. areas) are kept clear to prevent interference btwn. analog channels. But digital channels don't cause as much interference, so they were assigned as these 2nd channels in btwn. the analog ones.

The article is very specific about the end of 2006 being the original deadline for the end of analog broadcasting, not the requirement for all stations to start digital broadcasting: "At the time of the bandwidth loan, Congress set year-end 2006 as the date when analog service would officially cease and the extra channels would be 'returned.' " There may not have been a legal requirement to broadcast digitally, but broadcasters may well have considered it too advantageous to pass up & not needed any legal push to do so.

There's more detail in the article (http://spectrum.ieee.org/oct05/1911), a little more than halfway down the 1st page, starting w/"In the late 1990s."
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